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It’s been almost a full year now since I signed with my agent, but the thing about querying is, if you did it for long enough, I’m not sure you ever forget what it was like.
Me? I did it on and off for four years.
I got something like ten rejections on my first ms before I stopped (not that I’d normally advise giving up after that low a number, it’s just that it was far more of a “market timing” thing – NA! – than anything else), fifty before shelving the second one (what, until my most recent ms, was “the book of my heart”), and then was very lucky to find my agent through The Writer’s Voice contest with my third, for which I only sent about five queries.
That adds up to a whole lotta two things: 1) Research 2) Rejections
When I queried the first time, I admittedly had no idea WTF I was doing. I basically picked agents to query based on which agency names I remembered from working at Simon & Schuster, which was sort of an iffy move because although it did mean they possessed some legitimacy, I’d worked in Adult and had no idea there were totally separate kidlit agents. I don’t know if there was a QueryTracker or AW or anything like that, I only know that I didn’t use any of ’em.
As it happens, I queried some fantastic agents at the time, only I didn’t know it. I honestly had no idea how many subpar agents were out there, and it was total luck of the draw that I picked agents like Amy Tipton and Jenn Laughran. Had I queried bad ones, I’m not sure I even would’ve known.
But I sure know about ’em now!
I’m not sure exactly what’s changed over the past year or two, but suddenly there are a whole lot of people out there who feel cool calling themselves agents despite lacking the necessary experience, contacts, and professionalism. Somehow, “I like books” became good enough for agent bios, and people seem to have lost sight of what they should be looking for, both as good signs and bad signs.
Hopefully, this post, written with the assistance of a few helpful writers who’ve had the reddest of flags thrust in their faces, will help clarify. (And, if you need to remind yourself why no agent is better than a bad agent, see Point 1 here.)
The agent doesn’t actually know the category he/she is representing.
Now, you might be all, “How would I even know that??” Well, here are some hints from real-life examples!
- An agent says something like (direct quote!) “I would also recommend that you consider writing novellas to begin with (shorter romance-geared novels ranging around 50-60k words) not only because they also are an easier thing to sell, but also much easier to master before delving into really meaty novel stories.”
Oh, hey there! I’m real life, and I’m here to tell you that no one thinks novellas are easier to sell unless maybe they plan to go digital only. And if you do plan to go digital only, maybe share that information with your prospective client?
- You get rejected because your word count is “too low”… and it was a 60,000-word contemporary.
Right, so, as a writer, you should be doing your own research about acceptable word counts, and if you have, you’d know that 60,000 words is absolutely normal for contemporary YA. On the lower end? Sure. Rejection-worthy? By no one who knows a damn thing about contemporary YA.
So now, why would an agent reject for something like that? Either, he or she really doesn’t know better, which, red flag – as a writer, you should be informed; as an agent, it is your freaking job to be. It may sound like it’s not such a big deal, but if your agent doesn’t know this, what else doesn’t he or she know??
And then there’s option B:
The agent’s got something to sell
I’m going to hope and pray that every querying writer knows the cardinal rule of You do not pay agents, period. But apparently, there’s a new rule that needs to be stated:
Do not trust agents that try to sell you their services, their clients’ books, or anything else. Seriously.
In the case of one of the times I’ve heard about an agent rejecting for an absolutely within-guidelines word count, the rejecting agent “helpfully” suggested the writer consult an editing service for assistance in beefing it up.
How incredibly convenient that that agency provided paid editorial service.
Thankfully, I’ve never experienced any such thing, possibly in part because this whole “agents also offering editing services” thing has really grown to be a thing in the time since I signed. But here are some things that raised flags for other people:
“Once I queried an agent and received a critique of my query. I’m usually happy for a critique, but this query letter has pulled many requests, and the tone of the critique seemed as if it were trying to shake my confidence in my skills, so my spidey senses were tingling. More research revealed that the agency also ran an editing business. An agent claimed on AbsoluteWaterCooler that the two businesses were separate, but the intern who advised me to “clean up my query a bit” had both businesses listed under his name. This was a red flag for me.”
“She suggested I not waste my money attending writer’s conferences because I had a long way to go before I was ready for them. Instead, she told me to buy the CD’s of two particular conferences and learn how to write that way. She also suggested I buy her client’s books and read those for an idea of what mine should look like.”
Sound like anything you’ve experienced?
Look, I work in publishing, and have for years. I’m going to tell you a secret: the money sort of sucks. As a result, lots of publishing professionals have second jobs (including me!) and yep, they’re still in the publishing realm, because that’s where our skill sets lie.
But if you feel like someone who happens to have an agenda is pushing theirs on you, run. The harsh truth is, it doesn’t even matter if you’re right. Because you’ve already established that you don’t trust this person, and you’re not going to have a healthy agent-client relationship with him or her if that’s the case.
The agent makes unreasonable requests.
It’s been said by many a reputable agent – exclusives are really never in a writer’s best interest. I mean, think about it. They’re not exclusively looking at you; what kind of leg up could this possibly give you?
But OK, you’ve been asked for an exclusive, as has been discussed on this blog before. Now what?
- It should never be granted for more than four weeks. Seriously, how badly do you want to screw yourself?
Ah, but here we have: “I sent a query to an agent, and 2 days later she responded saying she would like a 7 week exclusive on a full.”
Guess what color flag that raises?
SEVEN WEEKS. That’s almost two months with exactly one agent, who may or may not want to rep you, looking at your manuscript, while you can’t query any others. This would fall under what I would deem an unreasonable request.
But then, there’s the reality that Sometimes you can’t grant an exclusive, because other agents already have your material, as is actually what you’re hoping for when you query.
So then what? Then you tell the agent you cannot offer exclusivity at this time. In my two experiences of being asked for an exclusive, one was my very first query so I had nothing else out and didn’t care, and the other simply waived exclusivity, as I would generally expect to be done.
However, what happened to our 7-weeker who found herself in that situation?
“The requesting agent asked me for the names of the other agents reviewing my fulls. I gave her the names of the agents and promised to let her know immediately if the agents offered rep. I also offered to stop querying for a period of time. The agent responded saying she is withdrawing her request for a full because I am unable to grant her exclusivity. To be fair, this agent did let me know that if the other agents passed on my work and if I’d be willing to grant exclusivity then, she would be happy to reconsider.”
Personally, I’m not in love with the whole “agents asking who has your ms” thing, but I know some do it to warn you if it’s a major Red Flagger whose got it.
My guess is this wasn’t one of those times.
Regardless, withdrawing a request for a full because you can’t get an exclusive?
RED FLAG. I don’t know why anyone would require exclusivity that badly, and certainly not for seven weeks, but even if this person was so high on your list that you wanted to grant it, how could you possibly trust that they wouldn’t try similar strange practices with editors?
The agent doesn’t treat you with respect.
There are different conventions in the agent-querier relationship, sure. Some agents respond to all, and some don’t. Some try to respond with something personal to every writer, or at least the ones who follow their submission guidelines, and some use a form rejection unless they’re requesting material. All of these things fall under the realm of acceptable.
Then there are things that should scream “run!” to you if an agent ever says them. Like:
“However, I knew after reading more that although I love your use of language, setting, tension, story idea, and style, it isn’t publishable yet. If it was, of course, you would have heard back from me immediately.” (Emphasis mine, because vom.)
It’s okay to think “I’m backburnering this because I don’t see this going anywhere.” I’m not really sure what the point is of saying it, or of actually doing it, if that’s how you feel. Regardless, this is an agent who has no shame in actually saying, “I’m treating you less than because your work is less than.”
You know how sometimes you say to lovely agents, “If I revise according to all your suggestions, can I resubmit?” Well, save that for the lovely agents. Besides, if your agent can’t figure out how to politely phrase things for you, who’s to say he or she is capable of doing so to editors?
See a recurring theme here? Always consider how their professional behavior with you could translate in other scenarios. If you can’t at least make yourself understand that you deserve better, think of it that way. Whatever works.
Finally, one more category of things I want to address, and I’ll call these “yellow flags,” because while they’re not objectively terrible things, they’re the kinds of things that reflect agent traits specific clients may want to avoid.
- Slow communication. For me, this is maddening. If you ask me my favorite thing about my agent, it is hands down how quickly she responds and how consistently she keeps me in the loop. She gave this trait away immediately by requesting a full the day after I sent my partial, and offering a week later. I wasn’t kept on the hook in the slightest.
Contrast that with an agent who requested along the following timeline:
Query sent – 10/7/10
Request for partial – 12/3/10
Request for full – 1/24/11
Nudge from me – 10/4/11
Response on 10/12/11 – “still enjoying” but had to set it aside for clients’ work
Pass – 1/4/12
That’s 15 months from query to rejection. Now, if she’d loved it, it might’ve been faster, and if I’d nudged sooner, I might’ve gotten an answer sooner, and all in all, I don’t begrudge this agent for taking that amount of time.
But it was a really good sign for me that she was not for me.
- Small sales. I’m at the point now where it’s clear I’m a fan of smaller presses, right? This is not a judgment of small presses or the agents who sub to them. I really hope that’s glaringly obvious.
But, what’s important to understand is this: A lot of small presses don’t require submissions to be agented. A lot of acquisitions done by small presses were actually initially done with the author, who then brought an agent in to secure it and negotiate contract terms. That fact is not clarified in Publisher’s Marketplace.
So what does that mean? It means that if you look up an agent’s deals in PM and think, “Oh, good, she’s got sales! I’ll sub there!” but all the deals are with places that don’t require agents, it is literally possible she secured none of them.
Now again, it’s perfectly OK that writers want to bring in agents later, and it’s OK that agents are willing to do this. But you may not want an agent whose entire sales records are based on these kinds of deals. And even if they’re not those kinds of deals, you have to ask yourself – if an agent is only making deals at places that don’t require agents, what’s the agent really doing for you that you can’t do yourself?
(Hopefully the answer is “negotiating awesome contract terms,” but again, you have no idea. Yellow flag!)
So, those are some thoughts from me and my brave contributors; have you seen any of these things? What raises red flags for you?
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Wonderful article. Research is so important when you are looking for the right agent to query. Knowing someone is lovely is just not enough. You have to be able to verify their skills by sales numbers and interacting with them and their present and former clients. For me, being highly organized is a key component of who I am looking for to represent me. Meeting someone in person also is valuable. Media is great, but face to face really shows you if this person you are requesting to represent you and your hard work is the right one for you. I currently have my mg novel with one agent who I deeply respect and met seven years ago. We stayed in touch through facebook and she gave me an R and R.
This is excellent! Querying is NOT for the faint of heart. *sigh* Thanks. I have to share this with a very good friend of mine.
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Although I have been woefully behind in my reading the blogs of the cadre of fine writers on my “favorites” list, I do see their partial posts via my iPhone. Thusly, I know many of them are at the point of submitting their manuscript to agents and publishers. Here’s some great insight, from an insider. In a nutshell – you may not be as unqualified as you may have been led to believe. Enjoy!
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Thanks for the info! I recently had a ms accepted by a publisher. She assured me I would hear something from her editor in three months. After about two, I got a reply. She informed me that I had vivid details and memorable people but my editing needed work.
At the end of the email, she said she would never let her child read my story because it had too much romance in it and, in more than one word, she said I leaned toward one “color” more than others. If she had actually read it, she would’ve known better.
Is this a red flag and should I forget revising for this publisher?
Wow, that was really in depth. Also, cleared up a lot of questions I’ve had for a while. Not anywhere near a full ms myself but I’m trying out a serial thing on my own blog as a litmus test of an idea… Going to see where that takes me because you know, time and stuff!
Thank you for this helpful post. I am far from easy to query, but I need all the help I can get.
Great post, and yes, seen some of those. The ones I liked the best are replies that go: “Liked the story, loved the lyric of your prose, but I’m not sure how well I could market your novel.”
Cool, I thought that was exactly agent’s expertise, after all 🙂
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Excellent post. Thank you!
I suppose it shows how ignorant some agents can be; I’m not sure i agree with your description of a novella, because what about great literature like Heart of Darkness, Madama Butterfly and Carmen?
That’s not my description; it’s in the direct quote from the agent.
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A pretty wonderful post on the realities of finding a literary agent . Check it out!
Thanks for sharing this. Here I am thinking editing is the hardest part of writing but it’s not even close! Here’s hoping everyone reading this post has success finding the right agent! x
Thank-you for this!
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Excellent advice and insight into what to expect during the query process.
I just finished my first novel and am in the process of editing then searching for an agent and this blog is SUPREMELY helpful. I offer an immense thank you for taking the time to write this. You’re awesome!
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Thank you! I am just finishing up my query letter, and this is such helpful advice! Useful advice in the comments too. Leah
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An excellent article, thank you. I am pretty clueless when it comes to publishing (even some of the terminology in your blog is new to me), but I shall be following you from now on to try and learn as much as I can. My book is taking longer to write than I hoped (likely down to naivety on my part), but hopefully by this time next year I might be ready for some of this.
Thanks, Val! There’s a Site Guide up at the top of the blog, and the very first link in it is to a glossary of terminology that might help! And don’t stress about the time; I think it always takes longer than we think it will!
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Wow. Wow. Thank-you. And yes, I experienced one of these already. Looks like the key is education. I’m trying, but ugh, overwhelming isn’t it? Anyway, I’m glad you found a decent agent and I want to thank everyone who contributed to this post.
Very generous of you all!
*Followed.*
Yes, definitely – education is so, so important in this industry! It can be crazy overwhelming, but the point of my blog is to hopefully help tame that 🙂 The Site Guide at the top of my blog organizes everything in order of the pub process, so you might find that helpful! Thanks for following!
Yes and this post alone was helpful. I am following and will be reading, thank-you for being here. For giving back by sharing the knowledge, it is tremendously generous of you and lovely.
You got it concerning the follow. Glad I found you! 🙂
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Just another post I found helpful for writers seeking representation
I think I just learned a lot about the getting published best practices. Thanks for putting your time in this and sharing your thoughts. I’ll definitely consider these things once my manuscript is ready to go out the door.
I actually have a post on that too 🙂 https://dailydahlia.wordpress.com/2013/06/26/querying-and-best-practices/
Well that’s rather handy, I’ll give it a read. Thanks!
DAHLIA, i LOVED THIS POST. I’VE NEVER SEEN YOUR BLOG BEFORE, AND THANKS TO JAN FIELDS’ CHILDREN’S WRITER ENEWS, I TOOK A LOOK AND ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! I HAVE STARTED LOOKING FOR A PB AGENT AND RECEIVED TWO REJECTIONS THAT RAISED RED FLAGS – THEY SUGGESTED THAT I CONSIDER SELF-PUBLISHING UNTIL I HONE MY SKILLS BETTER! WELL DUH, IF I WANTED TO SELF-PUBLISH, I WOULD DO SO, BUT I DON’T WANT TO! ESPECIALLY NOT WITH THE VANITY COMPANIES THESE AGENTS LISTED! PLUS I’VE HAD MORE THAN 30 EDUCATIONAL BOOKS AND ONE PB ALREADY PUBLISHED, SO I THINK MY SKILLS ARE PRETTY WELL HONED.
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The MOST irritating thing is the lack of any response at all. I could take a no. But just to have someone request the full manuscript and never hear from them again is infuriating. I want to tell their mommy.
I used to be verrrry frustrated by that…and then I judged a pitch contest and found myself up until 2 a.m. every night trying to respond to everything. For me, as long as they state “If you have not heard from us by X, it’s a no,” I’m okay with it; it’s like a form rejection. But when you’re waiting and you just don’t know…that’s the worst.
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A good read right here…
Fascinating insight into the world of publishing and agents. Definitely worth a second and third read. Much appreciated from my end, especially as a young Indie Novelist. -bb
Thanks for the enlightening information. Intimidating as it sounds I am motivated by this.
Excellent advice. Thank you for this!
Amazing insight. Being ‘once a writer’ and reading this has fanned my flame for the art again 🙂
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Great post, thanks!
When I sent my first manuscript in to a local publisher I got quite a quick response saying they’d like more pages, so I gave them more pages, then they said they really liked it and want to publish it. Note that I’d checked out their website beforehand for any catches. I was really happy that they actually liked it and that’s when they told me about the costs. If I wanted it printed (and they weren’t offering an E-book version) I had to pay at least 3000 Euros (about 4000 dollars) to get it printed and advertised, even more if I wanted it translated. I mailed them and said that I hadn’t known about the costs and I could not afford it, so I had to decline.
A few weaks later I got another letter from them, explaining that it’s hard in the publishing business, so it’s normal for the author to come up with the printing costs. They also sent me a finished contract, ready to sign and said the offer still stands.
I’ve been in contact with other publishers since who confirmed that it was NOT custom for the author to pay for the print and promotion.
Gah, stories like that break my soul; I’m so glad you didn’t give in. One should never pay an agent or a publisher; money flows toward the writer, always!
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Thank you so much for this blog post! I’m an aspiring author working on my first YA novel (1st rough draft is almost finished), and this will certainly help me when I am ready to start sending out queries.
Thanks for valuable information
Thanks, I’ve pasted this for keeping, I know I learned something . . .
This is fantastic information for aspiring authors. You’ve won me over. Followed!
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Gotta say, love this post and education afforded. Lots of great dialogue. My feeling is there are so many avenues for missteps by hungry writers. Give true self publishing a try. Even if only a personal mission for a piece of art I have created, it’s reasonable to expect you can accomplish your own manuscript for a few extra works shifts over the course of 30-60 days. Yeah, you bypass editors, designers, agents, publishers and those kinds of things. But, what you gain is priceless. I don’t know about everyone else reading this well delicious post, but if your mission is to publish vs. sell, you believed in yourself to not only pen, sacrifice many late nights and early mornings laboring, editing, rewriting, complaining, cursing the world, then why not now toward self publishing? You are your master. Your readership will follow free or for sale. Bet ya the elusive Agent will suddenly come knocking as well…..
You got to just tell these literary bloggers that your work is the best ever and include some sex and violence in the story to get it published.
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Great advice, this gives so many great hints and tips.
I pretty well right for my ego. I like being read and I like comments. I like the fact that my writing is free and not encumbered by the need for me to make money. So it has errors in it. So what. All great works have errors. I just saw Les Miserables and the plot is contrived to say the least. Want my book , I will send it to you gratis. Just for the pure pleasure that I communicate with a fellow inhabitant of this world.
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I agree with Melanie Conklin. One should be respectful and expect it back too.
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I like to write screenplays in my freetime. Thank you for the information.
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I took a University of Victoria, BC NANOWRIMO BOOT CAMP writing course last year, 50,000 words in 30 days, trust me, your information helps a lot!
Thank you so much for this post! Just bookmarked it. I’m coming up on a year of sending out queries, proposals and sample chapters. Book is almost finished. I’ve been searching on agentquery.com, is there another resource? Self publishing is so overwhelming to me but also trying to be patient. Thank you again! Justine
Yes! There are some great other resources out there – querytracker.net is a great one, and absolutewrite.com/forums is great for a whole host of things!
Awesome! Thanks so much, I’ll definitely check them out!
I am just starting to learn what I might need when it comes to finding an agent so this is really useful to me! Thanks for the flags!
I’m in the querying trenches right now, and I’ve noticed lately that a few people who are being touted as “new agents” don’t seem to have any experience. It sent up red flags for me, that even though they were being promoted by a fairly reputable source, it looked like these ‘agents’ had just opened their doors with no experience in the publishing field (at least none that they’re posting for me to find) because they like books. Needless to say, I didn’t query them.
With new agents, the key is really who they’re surrounded by. I signed with a new agent, because she’s at an established agency, and it was very clear to me on our call that she’s closely mentored by an established agent there. However, there are a few agencies comprised of all new agents, and while I’m sure they’re lovely people, I would avoid querying them like the plague.
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Thank you for emphasizing “Always consider how their professional behavior with you could translate in other scenarios.”
I’d never really thought of it that way or heard that said in those very obvious terms, but it is a great thing to think about, so thanks!
Bookmarking this. Thanks so much. And it’s relieving to know other people didn’t know WTF they were doing when they first started querying, either. I sent out my first queries last summer (mercifully, only three of them) before I realized I was completely lost.
This is such an amazing post. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I’ve only been querying since January. Went to a conference in April and got two full requests and a partial request. It’s been four weeks and no responses yet. The elation of getting those requests is quickly quelled by the waiting because it can mean so many things–the agents aren’t caught up on their emails; they are doing work for clients (as your examples suggests); or maybe the interest just isn’t high enough. It’s the not knowing that is maddening, that makes me an obsessive email refresher. Thank goodness for sites like Query Tracker, where I can actually check the average response times from listed agents. But still. The waiting. OH, the waiting. Thank you for sharing your insight. Nothing makes the waiting easier, but your amazing post offers a community of support!
What a great post! Thank you! I think as a first time queryer I’ve gotten so hung up on GET AN AGENT, rather than get the RIGHT agent. If I can just get an agent everything will be fine. Well, that’s obviously not the case. Getting the wrong agent isn’t doing me any good. I think it’s important for everyone to remember that, even though querying can be an emotional, gut-wrenching experience.
I agree that the traumatic experience of querying shall never be forgotten! Great advice for searching for agents. Thank you.
Please continue to smite us with thy wisdom, O Goddess of All Things Publishing.
We hapless writers are forever at thy tiara-clad mercy.
Thank you!! This is great advice.
I never knew agents did that. I have gotten a few rejections due to just starting but knowing this now I will be careful. Thank you!
Awesome as always! 😀 Thanks for writing this up. Very helpful.
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Really great primer on some important stuff. I was very fortunate with my first agent as I was recommended to her by an author she represented. But she’s not right for my current project so I’m staring the query process down all over again. So far I’ve been looking at books I like and seeing who sold them.
Such a great post. As in every profession, there are some duds. For me, they’ve rattled my belief in my ability, but in the end I came out stronger and more confident. Hopefully this confidence will stick with me till after my books come out, so I’m not reduced to a whining mess when I get a bad review. 🙂
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This post made my skin crawl, but it it’s an essential read for all querying writers. Just because you are querying DOES NOT mean that you are somehow less than complete as a human being–you should treat agents with respect, and they should RETURN it. You’re a person, trying hard, having faith–you deserve respect! Never settle for less.
Good information. I think the hardest thing is the what are they selling issue. LIke you said, you can go to PM, but then you have to familiarize yourself with all the publishers. There are so many imprints of the big publishers plus the smaller ones, it’s hard to know who’s who.
I wonder if there are any blogs out there who’ve posted about about publishers. Just categorizing them so you could look at the size at least.
There is so much research involved with this querying thing, it gives you a headache sometimes.
Suzi – I don’t know what genre or category you right, but for YA at least, I’ve found this blog post enormously helpful:
Who Publishes YA?
http://www.theyacurator.com/2012/06/who-publishes-ya-breakdown-of-big-six.html
(You’ll still want to research the small- and mid-size ones, because I know one writer off the top of my head who stepped in it with kNight Romance last year, and her story was pretty damning. I wouldn’t consider them legitimate. Most of the rest though, at a surface-read from me, seem fine.)
Er, that should’ve been “category you write”, obviously, but that’s what I get for commenting before coffee.
YES, that post Rick linked to is one of my favorites! Additionally, Publishers Marketplace itself actually does a breakdown by size under the “imprint” link in the sidebar. It’s not exactly all-encompassing but it’s a very neat, compact way to look at the bigger players.
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Excellent advice. Thank you for breaking it down. There is so much for a newer writer to consider prior to and during the query process! -Rob
Bookmarking this STAT. Fab information. Thanks.
This is FANTASTIC!!! Thank you. So far, I’ve been asked for an exclusive, but no other red flags have been raised. But then, I’ve only been at this since late April…